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last update: Oct 4 - 2003

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September 19:
.... another friendly, tolerant & peaceful message from the scholars of islam ....

Question #26139: A brief look at the beliefs of the Druze
http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=26139&dgn=3

Question:
Can you give me a brief idea about the beliefs of the Druze? What is the Islamic ruling concerning them?

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

..... Shaykh al-Islam also said, refuting the ideas of some sects of Druze:

The fact that these groups are kaafirs is something concerning which there is no dispute among the Muslims. Rather whoever doubts that they are kaafirs is a kaafir like them. They do not have a status like that of the People of the Book or of the mushrikeen, rather they are misguided kaafirs and it is not permissible to eat their food, their women may be taken captive and their wealth may be confiscated. They are heretics and apostates whose repentance cannot be accepted, rather they should be killed wherever they are found, and they may be cursed because of what they are. It is not permissible to employ them as guards and gatekeepers. Their scholars and leaders must be killed, lest they lead others astray. It is haraam to sleep with them in their houses or to be friends with them, or to walk with them or to attend their funerals, if their death is announced. It is haraam for the Muslim authorities to neglect to carry out the hadd punishment that Allaah has enjoined by whatever means they see fit. And Allaah is the One Whose help we seek and in Whom we put our trust.

From the fatwas of the Standing Committee for Academic Research and Issuing Fatwas.

Majallat al-Buhooth al-Islamiyyah, 36/85-89. (www.islam-qa.com)

September 16:
Muslim student associations on U.S. and U.K. University sponsored websites are admitting and propagating the agressive Islamic view that organizing jihad and using force against non-muslim countries that oppose islamic teachings is legitimate and even obligatory:

Website of The Muslim Students Association at the University of Southern California (MSA-USC):

The duties and responsibilities of the Khalifa
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/politics/khalifa.html#duties
The Khilafa is a fard kifaya {obligatory} on the ummah.

The duties and responsibilities of the Khalifa
The Khalifa of the Muslim ummah must strive to:
...
5. Defend the rights of Muslims abroad, and to see to it that Islam can spread freely in non-Muslim lands (including the use of force).
6. Organize jihad against any non-Muslim government which prevents Muslim da'wah from entering its land.
...
The same article is found on these sites (google search)

Impossible Family Dynamics of Islam
by ex-muslima Nonie Darwish
http://www.noniedarwish.com/pages/745442/index.htm
Thus relationships among women in Moslem countries also become strained and hostile. There are little relationships between women outside the family or clan. There is constant fear of envy and the evil eye as well. As a child I often heard women begging their husbands after a fight not to marry another woman. “Go ahead and have affairs” they say, “but please never marry another.” They are afraid of another wife and children who will be regarded as equal by law and society.

September 1:
Analysis: Sabatina -- a Muslim horror tale
http://quickstart.clari.net/qs_se/webnews/wed/dv/Umuslimtalk-analysis.R7cU_Dl2.html
Editor's note: This sixth installment of the UPI series on dialoguing with Islam tells of a Muslim girl sentenced to death by hear father for apostasy - in the heart of Western Europe.

This is a modern Muslim horror story from Austria, whose capital, Vienna, barely avoided falling to Islam half a millennium ago. Imagine an exquisitely beautiful citizen of this ancient Christian nation having to go underground in neighboring Germany just to stay alive.

August 18:
Losing his religion
Apostate Ibn Warraq campaigns for the right not to be a Muslim
Boston Globe 8/17/2003
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2003/08/17/losing_his_religion_boston_globe


Conference on "Slavery, Islam, and Diaspora"
York University, Toronto, Canada, Oct 24- 26, 2003.
http://www.yorku.ca/nhp/conferences/york2003/index.htm

Some abstracts of the papers to be presented by various scholars can be viewed at:
http://www.yorku.ca/nhp/conferences/york2003/abstracts.htm


August 16:
How the idea of hell drove me from Islam
Saturday July 26, 2003
The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2763,1006307,00.html
Abu Lahab explains how he renounced Islam, the faith of his birth and upbringing


August 14:
Variant Readings of the Quran
http://answering-islam.de/Main/Shamoun/quran_variants.htm

"The following list of Quranic variant readings is compiled from several Muslims sources. These sources provide evidence that there were many conflicting readings of the Quran in circulation, destroying the Muslim myth and lie that the Quran is a perfectly compiled book. The facts clearly show that the Quran underwent textual corruption via additions, omissions and conflicting variant readings, casting doubt on its integrity."


August 13:
The 'Zanj' black-slave rebellion in early islamic Iraq:

From:
THE REVOLT OF THE BLACKS
By RUNOKO RASHIDI
http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/revolt.html:
It was in early Iraq where the largest African slave rebellions occurred. Here were gathered tens of thousands of East African slave laborers called Zanj. These Blacks worked in the humid salt marshes in conditions of extreme misery. Conscious of their large numbers and oppressive working conditions the Zanj rebelled on at least three occasions between the seventh and ninth centuries. The largest of these rebellions lasted for fifteen years, from 868 to 883, during which time our people inflicted defeat after defeat upon the Arab armies sent to suppress the revolt.

This rebellion is known historically as the "Revolt of the Zanj" or the "Revolt of the Blacks." It is significant to point out that the Zanj forces were rapidly augmented by large-scale defections of Black soldiers under the employ of the Abbassid Caliphate at Baghdad. The rebels themselves, hardened by years of brutal treatment, repaid their former masters in kind, and are said to have been responsible for great slaughters in the areas that came under their sway.

At its height the Zanj rebellion spread to Iran and advanced to within seventy miles of Baghdad itself. The Zanj even built their own capital, called Moktara (the Elect City), which covered a large area and flourished for several years. The Zanj rebellion was ultimately only suppressed with the intervention of large Arab armies and the lucrative offer of amnesty and rewards to any rebels who might choose to surrender.


more info: google-search on 'zanj' + 'rebellion'

see also FFI's Resource Center on islamic slavery:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1038


Rebuttal of the claim that arabic 'dharra' as used in the Quran originally meant 'atom'.
From islamic sources it becomes clear that 'dharra' originally meant 'something very small', like spec of dust, mustard seed, ant or grain.

view rebuttals at FFI: [1] and [2]


According to www.islam-qa.com, one of the most popular islamic Question & Answer sites, Islam WAS (partially) spread by the SWORD:

Question #5441: Was Islam spread by the sword?
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=5441&dgn=3

Question:
Some enemies of the religion claim that Islam was spread by the sword. What is your response to that?

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
Islam was spread by proof and evidence, in the case of those who listened to the message and responded to it. And it was spread by strength and the sword in the case of those who stubbornly resisted, until they had no choice and had to submit to the new reality.

And Allaah is the source of strength. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions, and grant them peace.

Fataawaa al-Lajnah al-Daa'imah, 12/14
(www.islam-qa.com)

see also this recent update on the same question:
Question #43087: Was Islam spread by the sword?
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=43087&dgn=3


August 12:
Translation of Malik's Muwatta, Book 31:
Business Transactions
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muwatta/031.mmt.html#031.31.4.4
Section: Defects in Slaves
Book 31, Number 31.4.4:


Malik said, "The generally agreed upon way of doing things among us is that if a man returns a slave girl in whom he has found a defect and he has already had intercourse with her, he must pay what he has reduced of her price if she was a virgin. If she was not a virgin, there is nothing against his having had intercourse with her because he had charge of her."


August 12:
Treatment of the female apostate according to the 5 schools of Islamic jurisprudence: the Malikites, the Shafites, the Hanbalites, the Hanafites and the Shi'ites.

It's either death or imprisonment and torture untill she repents or dies...

view


August 8:
Quoted by Ibn Kathir in his tafsir of Quran 56:37 on the Houris (heavenly virgins, promised to the true believers)
"They are in an infatuated state with their husbands, haven't you ever seen a she-camel in heat. She is like that.''

please note:
Ibn Kathir's Books :
"One of the greatest books that Ibn Kathir wrote was his Tafsir of the Noble Qur'an, which is one of the best Tafsirs that rely on narrations [of Hadiths, the Tafsir of the Companions, etc.]. The Tafsfr by Ibn Kathir was printed many times and several scholars have summarized it."


Tafsir Ibn Kathir :
"Considered to be the Best Accessible Tafsir in the English Language. "


August 5:
To whom might be interested:

Errors of Quranic Embryology (by THHuxley)
available at:
http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/huxley/islamic_embyology.htm
or
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=16157&highlight=#16157


and:

A short rebuttal of Dr. Ahmad Shafaat's article:
"The Origin of the Universe -
Some Amazing Correspondences between the Qur`an and the Latest Scientific Findings"


rebuttal available at:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=70621&highlight=#70621



August 5:
Added a list of ex-muslim sites in the 'Other Links'-section (click [here])


August 3:
Weird teachings of Islam:
'Plucking the eyebrows' is a major sin, but torturing and mutilating girls for life through female circumcision is 'sunnah' and allowed...

see: http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=80876&highlight=#80876


August 3:
Some rebuttals of the below quoted claim of Dr. Youssef Mroueh (in his article PRECOLUMBIAN MUSLIMS IN THE AMERICAS):
"..... A careful study of the names of the native Indian tribes revealed that many names are derived from Arab and Islamic roots and origins, i.e. Anasazi, Apache, Arawak, Arikana, Chavin, Cherokee, Cree, Hohokam, Hupa, Hopi, Makkah, Mahigan, Mohawk, Nazca, Zulu, Zuni...".
rebutting comments available through 3 post on FFI: [1], [2] and [3].


July 29:
This is what Islamic teachings can do to people:

"I thank Allah that [our son] attained what he sought," said the father of Suheil Al-Sahili, 28. "For 14 years he sought [martyrdom]. He always pointed to his head and wished that a rifle bullet would split his forehead, and we have been told that that is what happened."

source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33801


July 9:
Coming soon:
Whatsthisthen's Miracle of Nineteen

(the 'islamic' miracle of 19 investigated)


May 28:
Saddam's parades of dead babies are exposed as a cynical charade
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/05/25/wirq25.xml
(Filed: 25/05/2003)



May 21 - Question for muslims:
How are we to understand the islamic claim that the Quran is protected from corruption, tampering, and altering when there is in fact a corrupted version of the Quran published and both physically (book) and virtually (internet) present on the face of the earth AND used by a group of muslims as divine guidance? Of course I'm talking about Rashad Khalifa's publication of a Quran in which he omitted verses 128 & 129 of chapter 9.

Answers are welcome here

added May 16: Sheikh Ahmad al Kat'ani: "every hour 667 muslims are converting to christianity"

July 1:

Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 80: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/060.sbt.html#006.060.080
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Verse:-- "You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind." means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam.


May 21:

Question #21946: How the Shaytaan has a share in people’s children
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?formtrans=dgn%3D3%7C&ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=21946

.... "If a man has intercourse and does not mention the name of Allaah, the jinn wraps himself around his penis and has intercourse along with him." ....

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid (www.islam-qa.com)



April 29:

Question 6737 from Germany Jan 10 2002
http://islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=6737

Question
i would like to marry a woman who is 12 years old, her father and she has also agreed. What is your advise?

Answer
According to the Shari’ah, if a girl is a minor (did not attain puberty), she may be given in marriage by her father. When she attains puberty, she has the right to maintain the marriage or discontinue the marriage. There is no age limit to be intimate with one’s wife even if she is a minor.

It is important for you, in your situation, to consider the age difference reservation expressed by your wife.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai



April 22:

GUIDANCE FOR THE MUSLIM WIFE :
http://www.alinaam.org.za/library/gmwife01.htm

HADEETH 26.
Rasulullah Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam said: "The rights of the husband on the wife are so great that if pus flows on the husband's body and the woman licks it clean, then too his rights will not be fully fulfilled." (TARGHEEB)



March 10:

Islam: questions and answers - Is Killing of civilians allowed in Islam?
http://www.geocities.com/sos_index/AlJihaadIssue5.html#5

Generally, the killing of civilians is not allowed in Islam. But in certain conditions it is allowable such as .....

(6) Women can also be killed if they expose their body and use nudism to fight Islam and hurt the Muslims such as the woman who was killed with a arrow for showing her private parts to the Prophet (s.a.a.s) and Shahaba at the battle of Tai'f. (Narrated by Al-Mughni vol 10)..


Al-Jihaad - Issue 5
Supporters of Shari'ah - Islamic Advisor: Sheikh Abu Hamza
http://www.geocities.com/sos_index/home.html
http://www.shareeah.com/home.htm


March 6:

Why did Allah Almighty make lawful for Muslim men to have sexual intercourse with the married women whom are captives of war?

http://www.answering-christianity.com/right_hand_possession.htm

Response to the "Proofs" that men can rape their slave-girls in Islam:
....
Even though Allah Almighty wanted the Muslim men to honor their slave women's desires to refusing to have sex, but He at the same time did not deprive the Muslim men the right from having sex with their slave women when they desire them. If all of the man's slave women desire to not have sex with him, and he is prohibited to enter upon any of them because of that, then this would be a total deprivation for the man and his rights. So, if a man makes it clear to the slave woman or women that he could and would have sex with them if he desires them, and uses some physical force if he needed to, then the message will be sent clearly to the women and he will find Allah Almighty Forgiving and Merciful for him. ...
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previous Spotlights


links to FFI debates
The difficult family life of young apostates in the USA.
Read it at FFI: Why I left them Muzlims
My favourite quotes from Islamic Q&A sites
Read it at FFI: My favourite quotes from Islamic Q&A sites
What do islamic websites tell about women?
Read it at FFI: debunking websites that tell untrue stories about women
The issue of justified sex with female prisoners of war in Islam
Read it at FFI: Muhammad propagated sex slavery? Look again!

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some other links to FFI topics


note: the authors of this site (Cromagnon & Tinero Timanfaya) do not necessarily agree with all opinions of other authors as expressed in the externally linked articles/sites or in guest-articles on this site

This Site:

Latest articles
. Surah-like-it challenge has been met & Quran not protected against tampering (Oct 4 - 2003)
. The Crescent & the Star (June 16 - 2003)
. The Unclear Quran (last update May 21 - 2003)
. Muslims leaving Islam - a Tip of the Iceberg (last update May 21 - 2003)
. (part 1 - 5, Ex-Muslim Scholar's Book Refutes Islam,
. The wonderful world of Islam in the US - as told by ex-muslims)

. Islamic education of children: beating and chaining? (May 9 - 2003)
. Remarkable islamic quotes from a less advertised, hidden side of Islam
....as compared to some well known islamic claims
(last update May 5 - 2003)
. How would Muslims react? (April 24 - 2003)


Older stuff:
. Unlogical logic of Harun Yahya & Quran (Feb 26 - 2003)
. What does the British muslim organization Al Muhajiroun has in store for the UK
....and the rest of the world?
(Feb 8 - 2003)
. Mullah's and their words of wisdom (Feb 5 - 2003)
. Questions for Muslims (Jan 24 - 2003)
. Pagan symbols of worship on pre-islamic coins (last update Jan 24 - 2003)
. Some lose thoughts about Qibla (direction of prayer in Islam) (Jan 18 - 2003)
. "the Glorious Past of the Muslims Ummah" & Offensive Jihad (last update Jan 14 - 2003)
. (Europe under Muslim rule Part I, Europe under Muslim rule Part IV, Conquest of India Prior to the Day of Judgment,
.. The Holy verses commanding the Muslims to fight, Muslim generals have never had unsuccessful visits,
..The Legislation & The Beginning of Jihad, The Muslims must start or initiate the fighting)

. Fatwa: The Wisdom of having Female Slaves (Dec 23 - 2002)
. Muslim warrior quotes (Dec 22 - 2002)
. Islamic Strategies for Muslims in the West (last update Dec 6 - 2002)
. Modern-day muslims are fond of saying ... (last update Dec 1 - 2002)
. (islamic teachings & scholars on: sex with slave-girls, marrying child-virgins, female circumcision)
. Kuffar-phobia - islamic intolerance (last update Nov 30 - 2002)
. Allah’s/God's Revelation: How To Wash Vagina/Puki After Menses (Nov 20 - 2002)
. Gay animals & Quran: an islamic contradiction (Nov 13 - 2002)
. Milk halal? The milk myth debunked (Nov 13 - 2002)
. Preachers of intolerance: Alminbar online council for imaams (Nov 2 - 2002)
. Miraculous Pictures (Oct - 2002)
. (Beehive that says: "Wodan rules", Cow with Hindu 'OM' symbol, Egyptian Ankh symbol on crab,
...Thor's thunderbolt, Ying-yang lizard)



Satire - parables on religion:
. AlHamdulillah! Another convert! - by Tinero Timanfaya
. The Parable Of Archon The Fire God - by Bryan "Archon" Prim
. The Story of Bob - by David M. Payne
. Kissing Hank's Ass - by Rev. Jim Huber
. The Zorbian Scriptures - by Zorb The Sacred Crocodile
. Who killed the Dinosaurs?? (off-site)
. (interesting parable from a muslim point of view)

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Other Links:

Ex-muslim/freethinker sites & forums:
(last update august 15)

.
http://www.assoaime.net/aime/index.php?newlang=english
. http://main.faithfreedom.org
. http://forum.faithfreedom.org
. http://www.secularislam.org/skeptics/anwar.htm
. http://www.apostatesofislam.com/main.htm
. http://www.apostatesofislam.com/forum/
. http://www.mukto-mona.com/
. http://www.exmuslim.com/
. http://www.exmuslim.com/forum/index.php
. http://www.religionandsecularism3.gq.nu/
. http://www.geocities.com/murtad_malaysia/
. http://www.geocities.com/exmuslims_survey/
. http://www.geocities.com/muslimapostate/index.html
. http://www.taslimanasrin.com/
. http://www.homa.org/
. http://www.noniedarwish.com/
. http://www.savekashmirmovement.org/

Info & opinions on Islam from a non-islamic perspective:
.Censored articles from the Middle East Times:
http://www.metimes.com/cens/censored.htm
. Faith Freedom International (FFI) -
..ex-muslims & freethinkers site: http://main.faithfreedom.org
. FFI forum: http://forum.faithfreedom.org
. FFI link library: http://main.faithfreedom.org/links.htm
. FFI Resource Centre: http://forum.faithfreedom.org/viewforum.php?f=32
. Secular muslim site: http://www.secularislam.org/Default.htm
. The name says it all: http://www.islamexposed.com
. Humerous AND informative site on all three abrahamic religions:
..http://www.geocities.com/freethoughtmecca/home.htm

. Christian site with many articles refuting islamic claims: http://answering-islam.org/
. Site about Human Rights in islamic countries: http://www.hraicjk.org/index.html
. MEMRI - The Middle East Media Research Institute
..produces original translations of Middle Eastern media: http://memri.org/sd.html


Off-site articles:
. The Place of Women in Pure Islam - by M. Rafiqul-Haqq and P. Newton
. Mohammed and the animals - by Silas
. (Islamic superstitions regarding animals)
. Is Peace With Israel Possible? - The Islamic Verdict - by Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad
. (answer: No Way!) . (also available here)
. Incredible Teachings of Muhammed - by Abdullah Al Araby
. Rights of Non-Muslims in an Islamic State - by Samuel Shahid
. A tit for tat would serve the Islamists right! - by Abul Kasem
. Jihad - by www.secularislam.org
. (the Arab Conquests and the Position of Non-Muslim Subjects)
. What Quran Teaches? - by Ali Sina
. (The intolerant teachings of Islam - quranic verses )
. This Sun Must Dawn From The West - by Ali Sina
. (A discourse on who is responsible for protracting terrorism and venting Islamic fundamentalism)
. Offensive War to Spread Islam - from 'Behind the Veil'
. (" Those who say that the Islamic wars were always defensive do not understand Islam
...and have not read sufficient history. ")

. The Influence of Animism on Islam - by Samuel M. Zwemer
. (An account of popular superstitions)
. Lying - by answering-islam.org
. (At first glance, Islam appears to place great importance on the truth.
...However lying is permitted in some cases to achieve ones goals...)

. The "Wisdom of Muhammad" from the Hadith - by Gary Bee
. From Rags to Riches, From Preacher to Despot - By Ali Sina
. (about prophet Mohammed)
. Creating An Islamic State - by Perfanalyst

Some posts of CroMagnon on FFI
. My favourite quotes from Islamic Q&A sites
. Fastest growing religion? + anti islamist-propaganda links
. Khat: the Middle Eastern/East African muslim, moneymaking,
.."recreational and religious DRUG"



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